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Big Apple Seeds

Posted by Tim on February 26, 2007

Had anyone else almost forgetten what it’s like to get a big win? And beating Georgetown tonight was huge. Why? Because, for the first time in months, we have breathing room. Maybe, just maybe, we don’t need to beat Villanova next week to secure a spot in the Big Dance. In fact, Joe Lunardi at ESPN gave us a 12-seed just on the strength of winning the Providence game on Saturday.

But let’s not look too far into the future. We still have to get through the Big East Tournament. After tonight’s games, the top of the BE standings looks like this:

1) Georgetown (12-3)
2) Pittsburgh (11-3)
3) Louisville (11-4)
4) Notre Dame (10-5)
5) Syracuse (10-5)
6) Marquette (9-6)

SU has lost to every team ahead of it in the standings (except Georgetown, duh). So while it’s technically possible for us to finish in a three-way tie for third place if we beat Villanova, Louisville loses to Seton Hall and Notre Dame beats Rutgers, we’d still miss out on a first-round bye in the conference tournament.

The other side of that equation, however, is that we’ve beaten Marquette, so even if we lose to ‘Nova, we’ll still hold the tie-break over the Golden Eagles for the 5th seed. That’ll get us another rematch with St. John’s.

The X factor here is West Virginia. The Mountaineers, ranked seventh in the conference, stand at 8-6. If they can find a way to upset Pitt on the road then take care of business at home against Cincy to close the season, they could tie us — IF we lose to Villanova.

If anyone knows what happens to BE Tournament seeding if we’re locked up with WVU when all is said and done, please feel free to explain in the comments.


4 Responses to “Big Apple Seeds”

  1. ech1 said

    That ND/Rutgers clash is at the RAC, and we all know the sort of weird crap that goes down in that building (with or without Jer’s suitcase).

    It’s not likely, and we shouldn’t get our hopes up, but you just never know what’s going to go down when the state of New Jersey gets involved…

  2. Dave said

    Here is the link for the tie breaker scenario…

    If we finish tied with West Virgina then things get tricky!

    Based off from the tie breaker procedures Syracuse would be the 5 seed…Here’s why:

    “Each team’s record vs. the team or tied teams occupying the highest position in the standings. Continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.”

    Scenario 1:
    Pitt loses to G’Town and G’Town wins: G’Town gets the 1 seed…Syracuse beat them and West Virginia lost to them…Syracuse is thus the 5 seed

    Scenario 2:
    Pitt loses to G’Town and G’Town loses to UConn: G’Town and Pitt are tied…G’Town gets the 1 seed though based on the tie breaker over Pitt since G’Town beat Louisville and Pitt lost to Louisville…Thus the Orange is the 5 seed.

    If Marquette, Syracuse, and West Virginia all tie then they go by winning percentage between the three schools…Thus Marquette: 1-1…West Virginia: 0-1…Syracuse: 1-0…Syracuse would be the 5 seed again

    Basically no matter what happens this weekend Syracuse is the 5 seed from what I can tell!

    Even if Louisville somehow becomes the 4 seed and Notre Dame gets the 3…G’Town would still be the 1 and Pitt the two. The final standing should look like this (granted Louisville wins):

    Notre Dame
    West Virginia

    Hope this helps!

  3. DutchHart said

    That seems to be about how I was reading it Dave, I just got done running the numbers and unless you and I are both completely misreading the file, a five seed it is…

    Also I found it great that if all else fails it just goes to a coin flip as per the last line of the tiebreaker rules. I mean they could have put in another tiebreaker, but why bother when you can just flip a coin?

  4. Josh said

    The 12 seed (5-seed’s first opponent) looks like it will be St Johns; I’d feel pretty good about SU’s chances of winning that rubber game. UConn is the other potential first round matchup and I’d be a bit more concerned about them, especially with Roberts hurting.

    But of course the best scenario would be for ND to lose to Rutgers, and SU to get past Nova and claim the 4 spot. Go Knights!

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